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	<description>Regarding Romance, Story and Art: A Rhetoric</description>
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		<title>Comment on Epilogues or Babies + Schmoop = Puke by lazaraspaste</title>
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		<dc:creator>lazaraspaste</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 03:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never read that book, so duly warned. 

I&#039;m surprised by parents decided to have anymore children after me. I had colic the first year of my life and cried all the time. Why and how they managed to have another child, I don&#039;t know. I think it is one of those short-hands that at this point in my romance reading career just makes me irritated.  I really like epilogues (I think I might be one of the few people who like both the epilogue in &lt;em&gt;Harry Potter&lt;/em&gt; and &lt;em&gt;Crime and Punishment&lt;/em&gt;), but I don&#039;t like short hand. I want the children to have characters.  And more importantly, I think I want to see characters able to be happy when nothing is perfect or when things are irritating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never read that book, so duly warned. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m surprised by parents decided to have anymore children after me. I had colic the first year of my life and cried all the time. Why and how they managed to have another child, I don&#8217;t know. I think it is one of those short-hands that at this point in my romance reading career just makes me irritated.  I really like epilogues (I think I might be one of the few people who like both the epilogue in <em>Harry Potter</em> and <em>Crime and Punishment</em>), but I don&#8217;t like short hand. I want the children to have characters.  And more importantly, I think I want to see characters able to be happy when nothing is perfect or when things are irritating.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Epilogues or Babies + Schmoop = Puke by Sherry Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sherry Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 02:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a big Susan E Phillips fan, but I would take a pitchfork any day to the secondary heroine of Breathing Room, the one who just can&#039;t stop having babies for the stupidest reason imaginable.  (I am blanking on just what that reason is; must have forgotten it to spare myself further vexation.)

And I totally agree with you on the excess of babies in epilogues.  Having children is no guarantee of greater, or even equal, happiness.  And I know for sure my neighbor&#039;s marriage would have survived had they had half the number of children they did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a big Susan E Phillips fan, but I would take a pitchfork any day to the secondary heroine of Breathing Room, the one who just can&#8217;t stop having babies for the stupidest reason imaginable.  (I am blanking on just what that reason is; must have forgotten it to spare myself further vexation.)</p>
<p>And I totally agree with you on the excess of babies in epilogues.  Having children is no guarantee of greater, or even equal, happiness.  And I know for sure my neighbor&#8217;s marriage would have survived had they had half the number of children they did.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Spinsters, Bluestockings, and Other Aging Virgins by lazaraspaste</title>
		<link>http://lazaraspaste.wordpress.com/2009/12/03/spinsters-bluestockings-and-other-aging-virgins/#comment-123</link>
		<dc:creator>lazaraspaste</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 05:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you that the problem isn&#039;t about looks necessarily, but that its when a certain facet of the character becomes the focal point of their identity. I think I&#039;m less irritated when this occurs with fat and spinster heroines because I&#039;m more sympathetic with them, whereas with beauties I&#039;m all like &quot;OKAY! I get it she&#039;s freakin&#039; hot. Can we move on?&quot;  What I truly prefer is when the book lets me know who the character is, not just what they look like, if you know what I mean. The best characters are the ones I remember the way I would remember someone I&#039;ve actually met. The ones whose voices I can hear as a distinct sound in my head as I&#039;m reading. Those are the characters that I enjoy most. I think romance gets a lot of flack for cheap stereotyping and flat characterization, and I think that that&#039;s actually a valid criticism in more cases than not.  Although I think it is a valid criticism of most books period.  The difference is that it romance is about the characters so it is harder to obscure their flatness in the same way that you can in other genres, including literary fiction.

I love hearing about people&#039;s real life love stories. It&#039;s one of my favorite things, truly. :) In answer to the question on your blog about who is your hero---well, I think my hero is Intellectual Libertine.  He&#039;s dashing, he&#039;s handsome and he&#039;s witty. I also I like paradox and find it particular attractive when embodied.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you that the problem isn&#8217;t about looks necessarily, but that its when a certain facet of the character becomes the focal point of their identity. I think I&#8217;m less irritated when this occurs with fat and spinster heroines because I&#8217;m more sympathetic with them, whereas with beauties I&#8217;m all like &#8220;OKAY! I get it she&#8217;s freakin&#8217; hot. Can we move on?&#8221;  What I truly prefer is when the book lets me know who the character is, not just what they look like, if you know what I mean. The best characters are the ones I remember the way I would remember someone I&#8217;ve actually met. The ones whose voices I can hear as a distinct sound in my head as I&#8217;m reading. Those are the characters that I enjoy most. I think romance gets a lot of flack for cheap stereotyping and flat characterization, and I think that that&#8217;s actually a valid criticism in more cases than not.  Although I think it is a valid criticism of most books period.  The difference is that it romance is about the characters so it is harder to obscure their flatness in the same way that you can in other genres, including literary fiction.</p>
<p>I love hearing about people&#8217;s real life love stories. It&#8217;s one of my favorite things, truly. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  In answer to the question on your blog about who is your hero&#8212;well, I think my hero is Intellectual Libertine.  He&#8217;s dashing, he&#8217;s handsome and he&#8217;s witty. I also I like paradox and find it particular attractive when embodied.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Spinsters, Bluestockings, and Other Aging Virgins by Magdalen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Magdalen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 02:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to link my comment to this post with a comment to your October post about fat protagonists in romances.  I was a spinster, and I am fat.  I got married at age 42 to a man who, when I asked about his feelings about my obesity, said first that it was a package deal, and then said in a wistful voice, &quot;It&#039;s just that our heads fit together so well,&quot; which was a vastly reassuring thing to hear.

Oh, and he was my first British, Oxbridge-educated, cryptic-crossword-solving, genius husband.  (I have a type.)  Both of them are thinner than I (by a wide margin, no pun intended), better looking than I am, and both love me because of who I am.  My brain has a lot to do with that.  (Enough about me; the rest of the story, as Paul Harvey would have said, is here: http://narrowend.blogspot.com/2009/10/whos-your-hero.html)

But while I enjoy reading about smart heroines (you can add Sheila Simonson&#039;s Lady Celia&#039;s Comet to your list), I have a problem with books where a character is fat.  Not because I&#039;ll only believe a thin woman can fall in love or be loved, but because too often the fat gets its own character-arc and backstory.  One of Kathleen O&#039;Reilly&#039;s contemporary (Harlequin Blaze) heroines was a bit too self-conscious about her avoiddupois -- and it wasn&#039;t that much.  A muffin top, perhaps, or an extra dress size.  But Catherine&#039;s awareness of her less-than-perfect figure got a bit distracting for me.

Reminding the reader of the heroine&#039;s size is like getting too specific about what&#039;s she&#039;s wearing -- we don&#039;t actually need to know everything down to the last accessory.  Get `em dressed for the occasion and then let them get on with the story.  If they&#039;re self-conscious about their size, well, use that character element sparingly because it&#039;s a bit like the leaky toilet: it exists in real life, but we don&#039;t read romances to be reminded of that fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to link my comment to this post with a comment to your October post about fat protagonists in romances.  I was a spinster, and I am fat.  I got married at age 42 to a man who, when I asked about his feelings about my obesity, said first that it was a package deal, and then said in a wistful voice, &#8220;It&#8217;s just that our heads fit together so well,&#8221; which was a vastly reassuring thing to hear.</p>
<p>Oh, and he was my first British, Oxbridge-educated, cryptic-crossword-solving, genius husband.  (I have a type.)  Both of them are thinner than I (by a wide margin, no pun intended), better looking than I am, and both love me because of who I am.  My brain has a lot to do with that.  (Enough about me; the rest of the story, as Paul Harvey would have said, is here: <a href="http://narrowend.blogspot.com/2009/10/whos-your-hero.html)" rel="nofollow">http://narrowend.blogspot.com/2009/10/whos-your-hero.html)</a></p>
<p>But while I enjoy reading about smart heroines (you can add Sheila Simonson&#8217;s Lady Celia&#8217;s Comet to your list), I have a problem with books where a character is fat.  Not because I&#8217;ll only believe a thin woman can fall in love or be loved, but because too often the fat gets its own character-arc and backstory.  One of Kathleen O&#8217;Reilly&#8217;s contemporary (Harlequin Blaze) heroines was a bit too self-conscious about her avoiddupois &#8212; and it wasn&#8217;t that much.  A muffin top, perhaps, or an extra dress size.  But Catherine&#8217;s awareness of her less-than-perfect figure got a bit distracting for me.</p>
<p>Reminding the reader of the heroine&#8217;s size is like getting too specific about what&#8217;s she&#8217;s wearing &#8212; we don&#8217;t actually need to know everything down to the last accessory.  Get `em dressed for the occasion and then let them get on with the story.  If they&#8217;re self-conscious about their size, well, use that character element sparingly because it&#8217;s a bit like the leaky toilet: it exists in real life, but we don&#8217;t read romances to be reminded of that fact.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Epilogues or Babies + Schmoop = Puke by lazaraspaste</title>
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		<dc:creator>lazaraspaste</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 19:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s true. I agree with you that the underlying assumption that children are necessary for happiness is troubling. I also dislike the fact that children are often used as plot conveniences rather than portrayed as characters with any depth or feeling. Even when children bring joy they can be frustrating an difficult.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s true. I agree with you that the underlying assumption that children are necessary for happiness is troubling. I also dislike the fact that children are often used as plot conveniences rather than portrayed as characters with any depth or feeling. Even when children bring joy they can be frustrating an difficult.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Epilogues or Babies + Schmoop = Puke by Tessa K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tessa K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 17:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I do agree that babies are frequently not romantic, I have to disagree that children don&#039;t necessarily strengthen the relationship - though it is true that they can weaken it. Children, especially in scenarios like the one you describe, can put enormous stress on a relationship, and showing how a couple works and develops through stress in one of the key elements of the genre. Especially in a genre that celebrates the everyday practice of romantic love, to have a domestic stress like children makes complete sense. My problem with so many of the epilogues and baby scenarios is the underlying assumption that they are a necessity to complete joy and the relationship isn&#039;t fully developed without them.  That is what I would like to see less of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I do agree that babies are frequently not romantic, I have to disagree that children don&#8217;t necessarily strengthen the relationship &#8211; though it is true that they can weaken it. Children, especially in scenarios like the one you describe, can put enormous stress on a relationship, and showing how a couple works and develops through stress in one of the key elements of the genre. Especially in a genre that celebrates the everyday practice of romantic love, to have a domestic stress like children makes complete sense. My problem with so many of the epilogues and baby scenarios is the underlying assumption that they are a necessity to complete joy and the relationship isn&#8217;t fully developed without them.  That is what I would like to see less of.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Two Weeks Notice by lazaraspaste</title>
		<link>http://lazaraspaste.wordpress.com/2009/07/02/two-weeks-notice/#comment-119</link>
		<dc:creator>lazaraspaste</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 23:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should warn you, my taste in movies runs the gamut from bad to wonderous. This one&#039;s a good one though.

The not-eating under stress thing is pretty common in fiction, if not in real life.  I think its demonstrative of everyone&#039;s obsession with being thin. I mean, it would not be good if the heroine got all fat and stuff because her cortisol levels went up when she was stressed. Its not its lack of realism that bothers me more what it signifies about eating in our culture or gaining weight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should warn you, my taste in movies runs the gamut from bad to wonderous. This one&#8217;s a good one though.</p>
<p>The not-eating under stress thing is pretty common in fiction, if not in real life.  I think its demonstrative of everyone&#8217;s obsession with being thin. I mean, it would not be good if the heroine got all fat and stuff because her cortisol levels went up when she was stressed. Its not its lack of realism that bothers me more what it signifies about eating in our culture or gaining weight.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Two Weeks Notice by deputman</title>
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		<dc:creator>deputman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 22:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I always avoided this one because it looked pretty bad.  Guess you can&#039;t judge a movie by it&#039;s trailer.

Also, I must say that there are those of us who truly do stop eating when stressed. I&#039;ve lost 15 pounds in one month of work crisis and had the paramedics called when I passed out from not eating for several days when I just existed on adrenaline.  Needless to say this is as unhealthy, if not more, than overeating.  So I don&#039;t think it&#039;s as common, but there are folks out there who stop eating when under stress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I always avoided this one because it looked pretty bad.  Guess you can&#8217;t judge a movie by it&#8217;s trailer.</p>
<p>Also, I must say that there are those of us who truly do stop eating when stressed. I&#8217;ve lost 15 pounds in one month of work crisis and had the paramedics called when I passed out from not eating for several days when I just existed on adrenaline.  Needless to say this is as unhealthy, if not more, than overeating.  So I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s as common, but there are folks out there who stop eating when under stress.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Books I&#8217;ve Bought: A Photo Essay by lazaraspaste</title>
		<link>http://lazaraspaste.wordpress.com/2009/11/06/books-ive-bought-a-photo-essay/#comment-116</link>
		<dc:creator>lazaraspaste</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quite honestly, at least a 3rd of the books I own I have not read or finished.  Some of them I keep because they are good reference books (anthologies, textbooks, non-fiction) some of them I keep because I&#039;ve always intended to read them but for some reason just haven&#039;t, and some of them I keep because even though I didn&#039;t finish them, they are somehow important or distinct.

Sometimes an author you love, just doesn&#039;t always do it for you.  I have the same issue with Diana Wynne Jones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite honestly, at least a 3rd of the books I own I have not read or finished.  Some of them I keep because they are good reference books (anthologies, textbooks, non-fiction) some of them I keep because I&#8217;ve always intended to read them but for some reason just haven&#8217;t, and some of them I keep because even though I didn&#8217;t finish them, they are somehow important or distinct.</p>
<p>Sometimes an author you love, just doesn&#8217;t always do it for you.  I have the same issue with Diana Wynne Jones.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Books I&#8217;ve Bought: A Photo Essay by Sherry Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sherry Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 03:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I never finished An Uncertain Magic, but I want that special bonus copy!

(Am a big LK fan, just not an equally big fan of all her books.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I never finished An Uncertain Magic, but I want that special bonus copy!</p>
<p>(Am a big LK fan, just not an equally big fan of all her books.)</p>
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